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One of my recent favorite mini-timewasters has been surfing Gizmodo. It's surprising how much actual useful information I've picked up along with the dross.

I was reading yet another article about how $2 HDMI cables are just as good as $150 cables (I really wish I had known that before I bought my two HDMI cables last year, at least they were on the "low" end of Best Buy's line...), and came across a passing comment:

"Overpriced cables get hilarious reviews on Amazon..."

... with a couple of links. Half an hour later, and I'm sitting here with tears of laughter streaming down my face.

The whole page is made of awesome, but I was particularly fond of:

My cats chewed on this cable and now they can both speak. One of them is gay and the other wants to kill me. I would have rather not known.

(The cable in question lists for $8,450. Yep, you read that right.)

ETA: Don't miss the Tags Customers Associate With This Product.

Date: 2011-01-11 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k0dama.livejournal.com
hahaha, this is quite a gem :'D

Date: 2011-01-11 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reppu.livejournal.com
I would have been rofl, but alas, the effects of Nyquil mellow me out.

This was hilarious though. I can't believe people pay that price for cables! My friend at Best Buy also told me that cheap cables work just as well, even though I still don't understand how (I mean, $2 vs. $200? What's the difference?!).

Date: 2011-01-11 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sara-tanaquil.livejournal.com
Well, the short version as I understand it from reading posts on Gizmodo and Lifehacker:

The expensive cables are made out of better material, are more reliable and will last longer, especially if you plug/unplug them a lot or run them through the wall.

However, if you're looking at 10 foot cables or less, the signal is digital and any two cables with the same rating (preferably, say, HDMI 1.3 and Category 2) will carry the same signal. It's only at greater cable lengths that sensitive machinery can detect any degradation of signal, let alone the human eye.

So, if you're running 20 ft or more of cable through the wall and plan to leave it there for 15 years, it might be worth paying through the nose. For any other use, you might as well buy the cheap stuff first. If it breaks, it won't cost that much to replace or upgrade.

Date: 2011-01-11 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com
If you're only running 20 ft of cable and not connecting and disconnecting twice a day, do yourself a favor and buy cable from Home Depot for 20 cents a foot. The detectable difference is nil.

Date: 2011-01-11 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com
Any time you want more commentary like this, just let me know. Audio equipment is full of myth.

Date: 2011-01-11 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sara-tanaquil.livejournal.com
Do you have links for good advice on being a sensible audiophile? I'm curious (mainly window shopping), but it is hard to distinguish between the really good stuff and the hype.

Date: 2011-01-11 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] collarnojutsu.livejournal.com
Never have two words been so mismatched as "sensible" and "audiophile" my dear.

Date: 2011-01-11 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com
Yes. I'll get it for you tonight.

Date: 2011-01-11 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com
1st Recommendation: If you wants "fancy" cable, see bluejeanscable.com. The reasonable prices and fantastic quality. You'll pay ~$5 extra and get the "best cable" with solid science and engineering and without a lot of new age/audiophile fantasy.

Date: 2011-01-11 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nokiirat.livejournal.com
actually just got my $2 hdmi cables (actually 3 pack for $5) last week from a post on slickdeals. they work great.

gotta love the amazon crowd. :)

Date: 2011-01-11 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] photoash.livejournal.com
That's great :)

Date: 2011-01-11 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insaneneko.livejournal.com
Oh my. I almost choked laughing my brains out reading the reviews. The 5 star reviews are awesome!

Date: 2011-01-11 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manga-crow.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's a great one - I actually ran across that last week from an xkcd forum comment^^

I think this was my favorite:
"Help! They've come to life! The cables... they're... they're eating my daughter! Call an ambulance! Great price though. .. And her screams! I've never heard such crystal clarity! This is totally worth it!"

Date: 2011-01-11 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mangaroo.livejournal.com
My favorite tags: "repairs tardis controls" and "dials stargate"

Though now I wish I had itemized my HDTV/TiVo/DVD player purchase two years ago so I could see how much I paid for the cables.

Date: 2011-01-11 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wednesday-10-00.livejournal.com
My favorite tags: "repairs tardis controls" and "dials stargate"

TWINS!

Also, this review:

"Actually, I was a little disappointed with the cost here...if only it was a little more expensive...then it would be, well....OVER 9,000!!!"

*crying laughing*

Date: 2011-01-11 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sara-tanaquil.livejournal.com
LOL! Once again I had to google to get the joke.

I call clonsies on the favorite tags. Those are clearly the winners.

Got Milk?

Date: 2011-01-11 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] collarnojutsu.livejournal.com
Actually, I think my favorite part might have been that the first item listed under the "other products people who have bought this look at/purchased" list was THIS. HAHAAAA.

Re: Got Milk?

Date: 2011-01-11 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wednesday-10-00.livejournal.com
Did...did you look at the reviews for that at all?

To the icebox I aspired, motivated to admire
How its avocado pigment complemented my decor.
Then I grasped its woodgrain handle - here I opened wide the door; -
Darkness there, and nothing more.

brb, dying laughing

Mvrdrk poked me to read this

Date: 2011-01-11 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, audiophile stuff is most often extremely bizzare.

Cables, in particular, come in only two real varieties, "well made" and "not well made". If you have a well made, sufficiently sized cable, you're good.

This does not have to cost an infinite quantity of money. I did recommend http://www.bluejeanscable.com/ as they are more or less the examplar of "well made and sensibly priced". Long HDMI cables are expensive, it is actually a physics problem at its heart, but there is no excuse for a 150 dollar 3' HDMI cable except that somebody wants to get about 120$ more money than they ought to, or unless you like the pretty color or whatever...

Your example of an 8K$ isn't even the worst. There are speaker cables, etc, than run in excess of $20K U$D. For some other whoppers, look up http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=110-439%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&FTR=duplex%20socket and read the comments.

Audio, except for the loudspeaker and room acoustics, is pretty much a commodity part at this point for the playback side. Amplifiers, solved. CD players, solved. There is little real tweaking one can do that has any effect.

Hope this helps.

Re: Mvrdrk poked me to read this

Date: 2011-01-11 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sara-tanaquil.livejournal.com
Thank you, anon! Wow, I knew speakers were expensive, but I had no idea that the cables went into the stratosphere.

Audio, except for the loudspeaker and room acoustics, is pretty much a commodity part at this point for the playback side.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this?

I have much to learn, it seems.

Re: Mvrdrk poked me to read this

Date: 2011-01-11 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What I mean is that what used to be hard (high powered amplifiers, accurate playback) are now easily done for a small number of dollars in cheap consumer hardware. For instance, your average garden-variety home theatre receiver has about 125 watts per channel for every channel. It also costs under 1k$ unless you are buying fancy features. In 1960 this would have cost about 2K per amplifier, now you get 7 of them for 1K including computer processing inside that has more capability than all the computers in the world in 1960. Amplifiers, CD players, etc, in other words, are "solved". While bad equipment does exist, even the middle of the road consumer gear is much better than the best thing you could buy 20 years ago.

Re: Mvrdrk poked me to read this

Date: 2011-01-11 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com
LOL! Engineering speak!

A commodity item means that for the same functions or features, you should be buying by cheapest price.

An example would be eggs. For industrially farmed eggs, all brands are about the same so buy the cheapest ones you find. Unless you are looking for something special like organic, humane, or sparkly, there's no need to pay extra. For HDMI cables or most other audio equipment, as long as you know manufacturers A, B, and C all have decent reliability/quality, buy by lowest price.

Re: Mvrdrk poked me to read this

Date: 2011-01-12 12:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yep.

Audiophile parts.
They really cost quite a lot.
But, are they worth it?

:)

Date: 2011-04-12 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedually.livejournal.com
I don’t bookmark sites but i will bookmark this! LOL!

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